that “veto”

The hyperbole surrounding David Cameron’s use of the British veto, is just that hyperbole. He has said himself he “effectively wielded the veto

David Cameron did nothing of the sort as richard north of eureferendum has been pointing out. Take a step back from what  the msm is churning out on behalf of Downing St, and you will find that the day before the summit the UK sent over protocol demands to the EU, (these regarding financial services and regulations) Cameron surely knew that  asking to ‘repatriate’ these competences some of which this government have themselves handed over jurisdiction to the EU- and insert the protocol into the Treaty would be refused  and so late in the day look unreasonable to his european partners in the council.

As bagehot notes

“What they asked for was a protocol imposing decision-making by unanimity on a number of areas of regulation currently decided by majority voting. (If you want to be really technical, the choice is voting by unanimity or the special Qualified Majority Voting (QMV) used in the EU, which is a sort of super-majority system taking into account a certain number of countries and also their populations).

As my source puts it, this amounted to a big winding-back of the clock for many EU leaders, setting a “horrendous precedent” that could unravel the single market. As they see it, common rules for the common market have been adopted (with few exceptions, such as tax) by QMV ever since the Single European Act approved by Margaret Thatcher in 1986.”

the colleagues were having none of it

“Britain’s request to move to unanimity was taken as a huge ask that had nothing to do with the subject at hand (saving the euro) or was a sign of bad faith (because it is driven by mistrust regarding future legislation). In my source’s view, Britain also tabled its request very late in the day, simply sending a whole draft protocol to the European Council legal service the day before the meeting without talking the ideas through with key allies and national capitals.”

It is becoming apparent through all the smoke and mirrors being deployed from Cameron and his allies that the whole story has been conjured up to present Cameron as some sort of  genius, this fairytale does not stack up to scrutiny. Cameron claims he used the ‘veto’ in the national interest, once again it is worth being clear David Cameron is interested in himself and only himself after Wednesday’s PMQ’s Cameron looked to be facing an onslaught from his backbenchers and more, to hold a referendum on British membership of the EU, he has consistently said a referendum will not be held and for one reason or another is determined not to regain our national sovereignty nor allow a referendum to be held,  that night herman von rumpoy’s interim report was leaked, which set out how the new fiscal “compact” could be set-up (using protocol 12) without the need for parliamentary votes nor referendums, no sooner had this come out than Cameron was on the airwaves threatening to use the veto if he did not get the “safeguards” he wanted in the “national interest”.

It is a shame that 99% of the media are refusing to question the PM’s side of the story. His version of the events suit him quite nicely, thanks very much; no referendum, no repatriation, and a heroes welcome home. this version has also deflected attention away from the problems at hand which was supposed to be about the salvation of the euro. Merkozy have finally come out of a summit without the markets tumbling instantly -It will not last long- the problems of the single currency still remain intact, the agreement reached covers rules for budgetary discipline and is not much more than the SGP (stability and growth pact), the immediate problem of financing the debt of troubled states, lack of competitiveness and fixing the imbalances within the euro area, were not dealt with so unfortunately the summit agreement looks like it won’t even  save them until Christmas.





treaty change?

Angela Merkel has accepted that the current situation needs change.

“he debt crisis is not just something unpleasant, it is a turning point, an opportunity to create something new.”

It may be empty rhetoric of old, and she does not say what that “something new” would be. Merkel received a report

from her economic advisers, who suggested various ‘solutions’ to the crisis, all of which Merkel said

“would require a huge number of treaty changes”

It is clear that any plausible solution to the eurozone crisis will require treaty change and fundamental institutional changes to the EU. The British government is still pushing for further integration of the eurozone, whilst insisting that treaty change will be for the countries with the euro, and therefore does not affect Britain nor require treaty change under the referendum lock.

Treaty change proposals have not been precisely outlined but if the eurozone is to carry on they are required, and they will have repercussions for Britain. It is odd that on the one hand George Osborne and David Cameron say that the British economy relies on the euro working and are calling for the “remorseless logic” of full fiscal union, and on the other that treaty change will not necessarily effect Britain.

Angela Merkel seems to acknowledge whats required, she is still yet to act, but while we are waiting to see if the euro is going to be saved, maybe she can tell Gideon and Donald how the EU works.

matter of time

Throughout the eurozone crisis, time has been of the essence, while EU leaders have been fighting against the markets, they have been fighting time which they cannot preserve. Each summit, meeting or plan they have produced has been solely to buy themselves time, for a variety of reasons, not least for the stronger currencies of the eurozone to get their own houses in order.

George Papandreou’s call for a referendum was a lost cause before it even got off the ground. The idea of democracy ‘coming home’, sounds all well and good, until you realise that Papandreou is a politician not unlike those in Westminster. Do not be surprised if David Cameron is holding his own ‘get out of jail free card’ close to his chest in the form of a referendum on Britain’s place in the EU, for the security of his own premiership is not guaranteed but unstable.

Papandreou’s supposed show of strength in calling the referendum, had been diminished by his summoning before Merkel and Sarkozy. It is obvious that even were the referendum to be held whatever the question, EU politics dictates that a vote against the EU’s wishes will be dismissed.

The fact that exit of the eurozone has now been talked about by EU leaders, is not an end in itself, it was always possible if events required. Merkel and Sarkozy using it as a threat was only to bring  Papandreou into line.

The endgame is just a matter of time, for now I think that the eurozone in whatever composition will survive for some time longer, like trying to keep a  bicycle with two flat tyres going, those with much to lose if it fails will keep the show on the road for as long as possible.


theres just no hope for some

this  is the sort of thing that ruins the cause, leads the europhile left-wing press, cameroons etc. to laugh off the idea of Britain as a sovereign state and claim that anyone who thinks being in europe is not the best option is a ‘fruit-cake’, ‘loony’, ‘racist’ or even ‘homophobic’. John Redwood or dead wood as autonomous mind put it, asks his readers “what powers would you like back?” in his latest post, and then reels off a list as though he is a five year old writing out the Christmas wish list.

Leaving aside the fact that powers cannot be returned, the suggestions he makes on the list itself are  pathetic since alone they will not change our relationship with the EU, even if government achieved his whole list.

Redwood forgets that he is  an MP of the ‘conservative’ party, that makes up the majority of the coalition who claim to be “governing in the national interest” but  which has no intention of returning powers from Brussels to the UK and putting the national interest first. Nor does he realise that his leader is quite happy with the status quo and  is dismissive of him and his stated aims, so you wonder why John Redwood takes his frustration out on UKIPers

“who will write in to condemn what we are trying to achieve, I have two simple questions. What power have the UKIP MEPs got back for us? And what progress have the UKIP MEPs made to getting the UK out of the EU in line with their stated policy?”

You do not have to be a UKIP supporter to realise that Britain is better off out of the EU, now I am not a supporter but they simply do not have the capacity to remove Britain from the EU, for one there is not enough of them. Redwood as an MP in the governing coalition could use his own position to influence government policy in-line with his own stated aims, yet his record shows that he has not.

there is just no hope, for some.

hocus pocus…

It is enough to drive one mad, the Sunday papers are as ever, full of half truths and misinformation. The European Union and Mondays referendum debate receives a lot of attention from all sides of the political spectrum,

All is not well with douglas carswell who today is taking touchy tim’s place , he seems to have lost the plot let alone ‘the plan’, as he does on his own blog he speaks as though he is not part of the “SW1 clique” or “Westminster bubble”, delusional he seems to be publicly leading a double life. Carswell is a conservative MP in the Westminster Parliament, the ‘conservative’ party is leading the government this country has to put up with. In the same vein Carswell pushes the lie that ‘renegotiation’ is possible. One wonders why he does it? Cameron is never going to give him a promotion, so his motives are unclear though I hear that ‘the plan‘ is now an ebook£

Far from the  fight back the government’s press release would lead you to believe matthew d’ancona informs us that

“In private, senior Tories acknowledge that there is no serious prospect of an aggressive programme for the repatriation of powers from Brussels as long as the Coalition exists in its present form”

nick clegg seems to confirm this and has fiercely rebuked the tory ‘eurosceptics’ on the matter, and claims it would be “economic suicide” to try to change Britain relationship with the EU.

Simon Heffer -whose commentary I have to say has deteriorated since moving to the Mail- seems to be naive enough to believe the propaganda as he suggests that we renegotiate or repatriate powers back from Brussels, and then uses David Campbell-Bannerman  and his ‘ultimate plan b’as a source of  astuteness is laughable.

Heffer also pays “a sincere tribute to those who defied the three line whip”, this says it all, the vote on the motion was non-binding: when we see these ‘rebels’ defy the whip on a real in/out referendum debate for a real in/out referendum then they may deserve some sort praise. Peter Hitchens has a half good idea, the problem with it is that, most of those ‘rebels’ in the ‘conservative’ party do not have the guts to do it.

Someone who knows what he is talking about is Christopher Booker with the only article I can find in the msm today of any grasp of the facts and realities of the EU, from his piece:

“because the way Britain is governed has become so inextricably enmeshed with “Europe”. Anyone who thinks we can “renegotiate” has no understanding of what this project is about, or its most sacred principle – that powers, once handed over, can never be given back. So we must stay in, dragged along by a process over which we have no control…”


“…the project is slowly heading for very messy and prolonged disintegration. Everyone involved, it seems, is trapped, and the only way Britain will leave the EU is when it falls apart, around us and everyone else…”

No doubt this idea of repatriation or renegotiation of powers will continue to be pushed by the government and its followers, even though the facts say different. As Booker says the process of collapse of the EU has started, it is just a matter of time.

The only thing people who believe that Britain should be out of the European Union can do now is try to speed up the process; getting the facts out there is most important, so that the public is informed  that  is  best way to put pressure on those in power.

no, no, no.

the results for yesterday’s local council, scottish and welsh parliaments and the AV referendum are still being counted, results so far show that the liberal democrats have rightfully been given a bashing at the polls, Ed Milibands Labour party has -again- rightfully not gained as many seats as they hoped for and the conservative party has held up in most seats, losing only a minimum of seats and gaining a few elsewhere.

The Scottish result is most damaging to Labour, where they have basically handed Alex Salmond the right to propose and hold a referendum on Scottish independence, which would be a travesty if it were to come to pass.

The AV referendum result, though, is the one to watch as it will have the most impact on British politics than any of the other elections that took place yesterday. Both within the main parties at Westminster themselves and thus the country at large.

Already the Liberal Democrats have begun their whining, manouvering and backstabbing; Nick clegg has  said that the coalition may be seen to mirror the effect of the worst memories of Thatcher on radio 4 this morning, and funnily enough William Hague agreed with Nick, no need to guess were his priorities lie.

It is a bit rich of Clegg, since all coalition policy thus far has had his and the lib dems backing, throughout the AV campaign we have seen lib dems Huhne, Tim Farron and Simon Huhges all have their own digs at the governments of Margaret Thatcher, which to my knowledge were a damn sight better than this administartion. It seems to come from (increasingly) the leftist/socialist brigade, Thatcher bashing when in a tight spot, it is remarkable; I will not go into all her achievements, assets nor faults but, her conviction and courage is something not seen since she left office.

When the liberal democrats w ake up to the fact that they are part of this coalition government and stop acting like spoilt brats, maybe the coalitions programme for government will have some good effect on the country, thus far, the economy has stagnated and the debt nor  deficit has not declined much, we are integrating closer into the europeaan union, we are fighting Wars with a downgraded military etc etc… whilst the Liberal Democrats -a party of 57- are still calling the shots.

David Cameron should  take some of the blame too for allowing this to progress, though, the LD’s are bringing down the coalition slowly and the country is as I see it not safe in their hands.

All conservative MPs, need to do is say no, no, no.

Huhne are you kidding?

Andrew Grice of the independent amongst others have made speculations of an early election, which may seem farfetch to some but I would not go as far to say it will not happen, for the easter break saw Chris Huhne, Nick Clegg, Simon Hughes etc, all wade into the AV debate criticising their coalition partners in the most undignified language.

Nick Clegg spoke at the weekend of a “right-wing clique”/ elite and of lies coming from the conservative party and its opposition to AV, one has to wonder if the liberal democrats realise they are in coalition government not in opposition, the tone of such talk is suited best to the schoolyard not British politics.

Calling their counterparts liars and cons, hardly promotes the type of government which last year both conservative and liberal democrat parties said would be in the national interest; concilliatory and colliegiate. thus the whole AV debate is unsurprisingly, putting much of the public off political interaction and is actually not concerning the issues of voting systems anymore.The liberal democrats have turned it into a political point scoring match which they are sure to lose.

If an early election is called, the outcome would not be anymore decisive as the 2010 election, the conservative party is on a par with Labour in most polls and the liberal democrats stand to lose a fair proportion of the vote, similar to their desired PR voting system they would end up with a handful of seats  due to their performance in government and reneging on manifesto promises.

Cameron is unlikely to secure a majority, even though some see him as fitting to his position as PM in number 10, it is likely I believe another coalition would have to be formed only this time Ed Miliband would likely gain enough votes to form a coalition with the libdems, if one were to be held any time soon.

The fact that this country has only the current lib/lab/con as any possible government is a travesty, all three leaders are unrepresentative of the people they purport to represent. And the present debates being had in politics are false, the real issues that need to be discussed are Europe; our membership, the economic consequences of membership and sovereignty of both our nation and laws made in Parliament. Only when these viable candidates i.e. lib/lab/con start talking about this will this country move forward and prosper once again.

As an early election is being discussed, all three leaders have people within their own parties seeking their positions, Ed Balls is obviously waiting in the wings for Ed Milibands place, Cameron faces regular rebellion with the conservative party now seeming to realise they chose the wrong David (Davis) and Nick Clegg has one Mr Huhne on his tail making the most transparent moves over the weekend -on the AV referendum- seeking approval from the leftist majority in the party.

The early election though, greatly depends on the outcome of the AV referendum, if a ‘no’ vote prevails Clegg suffers and Cameron will be safe for a while while the opposite is true if a ‘yes’ vote is given. we shall wait and see.

more on that ‘peoples’ pledge.

Today at muffled vociferation has posted on the deception of the peoples pledge, it has made me think about the campaign in more depth, having joined the dots it would seem that those serial con artists Douglas Carswell and Daniel Hannan, are most likely the (real) organizers of this, I have posted previously on the issue of them wanting to close down B.O.O.

And both Carswell and Hannan are on the advisory council and are promoting the pledge. As the post by MF suggests they may just be a bone thrown to the right of the party and the conservatives of the public still hoping that Cameron’s ‘conservatives’ might just one day fight the sceptic cause. It would suit all the culprits, Cameron does not really mention the subject of a referendum or withdrawal unless pressed and Carswell and Hannan, publish books, make television appearances, keep their seats in Parliament(s) and purport to be for all things they set out in the plan.

I may be wrong that those two are not some cons, but having been blocked by Carswell for asking perfectly reasonable questions regarding democracy questioning his eurosceptic credentials, his lapdog adherence to every word that comes from Dan Hannans mouth, and his stooge like performance in Camerons precense. It would seem he has something to hide. As equally does Hannan, just why they wanted to shut down B.O.O. still remains unclear.

the peoples pledge, is in effect the same as the pledge by all Liberal Democrats (ALL) signed the NUS pledge card to stop any increase in tuition fees, and yet reneged. Cameron reneged on his pledge to the sun of holding a referendum on the Lisbon Treaty as did the nulab and libdems when they put the policy in their manifesto’s all those years ago.

So even if these MPs who are being targeted sign the pledge, who or what is to say they will stick to it? There is no evidence to suggest they would, and the party line always take percedence over personal belief. I have not signed the peoples pledge as yet, and am not planning on doing so. As it says on the site the aim is not to exit europe but to have a referendum, the idea sounds great until you dig a little deeper.

If a referendum is held, will the reult be taken into account if a NO vote is produced or would the country be forced to vote again (as in Ireland). None of the three main parties proposes exit and with the referendum funding policy being changed who’s guessing that the lib/lab/con wont conspire against an out campaign and if an IN vote is won the sceptic cause will be lost for a generation.

Anything to do with those like Carswell and Hannan need to be gone over with a fine tooth comb, as i suspect they have different motivations than those who would like to see Britain out of europe. Maybe UKIP is the only hope (at the moment)?

Scared Cam?

More on the peoples pledge, and Cameron and the political elites, refusal to hold a referendum, the Mail has an article by Harry Phibbs quoting Cameron in November 2009 on the Marr show Cameron declared: ‘I don’t want an “in or out” referendum because I don’t think “out” is in Britain’s interests.’

And just who gave Cameron the right to decide for us all, he is in government but not in power, and most importantly without mandate. The coalition is built on backroom deals of which I, nor anyone else in Britain voted for, if he wishes to state his policy for remaining in Europe, he needs to set-out what grounds these plans are based. Too, he needs to come forward to the country and ask for said mandate.

Phibbs then goes on to say “Yet while we have been granted a referendum on switching to the AV system – which would reduce our democracy to a confused mush – we are being denied a referendum on the big change that would strengthen our democracy. That change would be the withdrawal from the European Union so that we could become a self-governing nation deciding for ourselves the laws that we should live under.”

I have come to the conclusion, that one reason amongst many, but a very important one, is that the politicians of  Britain wish to remain in the EU, because they cannot govern alone, on the basis that, they have for so long been told what  to do by Brussels’ they’d be lost without, no more masquerading as important people on the EU/world stage, and none of the pretending to be doing something while ticking boxes, they would actually have to make plans and policy, without the templates handed from the EU. It is that they are frightened, yes there may be some benefit of membership of the EU, but none of which are not available from being on the outside, too America manages to trade with the world quite well, it is unlikely as many have stated that Britain would become a pariah state akin to Libya and others, since (however useless our system of democracy is) Britain is unlikely to become so dictatorial that the people are worshiping images of David Cameron and the like.


The peoples pledge seems different to previous in-out campaigns, the mood of the country, the media attention and the cross-party support, all make this campaign have a better chance than any before.  It is now up to the reluctant politicians to take the initiative and announce a referendum on this very important issue before its too late.

in-out in-out shake it all about

Today, comes good news and hope for those of us who wish to see, the politicians of Westminster squirm then relent and grant the public the referendum they not only want but deserve.

Only last week quisling Cameron, declared that he wishes to stay in the European Union and that an in-out referendum was out of the question, as most know a referendum on the issue of Europe has not been held since 1975 that even was only on the issue of the EEC, David Cameron , nick clegg, Ed Miliband etc, can try to put this off as they wish, but in the end the political class will  suffer the consequences; those being  the result of an even more frustrated electorate delivering an out answer.

The peoples pledge, is an initiative of the left, in favour of membership but realising the democratic deficit of EU membership and the people of this nation need to have a say. Caroline Lucas of the Green party, Keith Vaz of Labour and other unexpected names have cropped up, are in favour but want the decision to rest with the people and whatever you may think of them they have to be applauded for this.

David Cameron like Blair, Brown and Clegg pledged to hold a referendum then reneged, (“I know best. Your views are irrelevant. Get used to it.”)promised to claw back sovereignty and competences, and has reneged, (the EU Bill is nothing but a token gesture). He is now so in hock with the EU, Merkel, Sarkozi, etc. He yearns for the next EU summit, as it is known these summits and gatherings are pure photo opportunities and serve only to cause more trouble back in the leader own backyards when they return home.

It is now time for a referendum, and I urge everyone to sign the pledge , the country has been betrayed by our leaders repeatedly on this issue, and it will be them who are left on the back-foot for not initiating this themselves.

The media seems also to be waking up to the elephant in the room, the Daily Mail, Express, and Guardian have recently started printing (talking) about the issue more prominently, it is only thoe who have ‘power’ who would not  like a referendum, realising that a no vote would end their cosy dwellings once and for all.

sign the pledge